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I have spent most of the day in bed reading two mysteries and a book about the production of The Wicker Man.

From this, I have come up with the following poll. More will be explained later.

[Poll #1934440]

Date: 2013-09-18 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tx-cronopio.livejournal.com
Hee! What an intriguing poll!

As far as Texas goes, that's a perennial question. It's not southern, it's not quite southwestern. We're just uniquely annoying.

Date: 2013-09-18 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
I noticed your city selection in the poll was identical to mine except for Tulsa, which I put in the Midwest and you didn't.

I waffled over that one.

Where do you think Tulsa belongs? South? West? Other? Is eastern OK in the Midwest and western OK in the West? Is any of it in the South? Where do Oklahomans put themselves, regionally speaking? *curious*
Edited Date: 2013-09-18 01:49 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-18 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hand2hand.livejournal.com
I live in Tulsa and we are the Southwest. Definitely not Midwest.

Date: 2013-09-18 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
Thank you! I am enlightened. :-)

BTW, I am incredibly fond of Oklahomans, as a whole. When I was doing software help desk work, my very favorite clients were from Oklahoma (and Canada), a pattern that was unexpected but remarkably consistent, over a number of years. I still smile with great affection when I hear an OK accent.

Date: 2013-09-18 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hand2hand.livejournal.com
That's nice to hear!

We do have the Southern Hospitality thing going on, to some extent.

The state has a strange and sad history and that kind of carved it away from its neighbors, and we are a bunch of people from elsewhere (except for the Native Americans), but we have a lot of Southern customs for sure.

Date: 2013-09-18 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
Montana? The West. Ask anyone who's from there. They'll set you straight. *g*

AZ & NM? Southwest. No question.

It's not so much where it sits on the map as a matter of regional identity.

And as an Ohioan born and bred, I will happily tell you now and forever that I grew up in the Midwest. :-)

/opinionated

ETA: Fabrisse, may I link to this post? It's a fun one that I think might spark interest and discussion.
Edited Date: 2013-09-18 01:50 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-18 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
Absolutely link. The more responses the better.

Date: 2013-09-18 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
Doneski. :-)

Date: 2013-09-18 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ride-4ever.livejournal.com
Hey, mal! I didn't know you were originally a fellow Midwesterner!

Date: 2013-09-18 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
Yeppers! Born & raised in Oxford (Dad taught at Miami), then Cincinnati for the last three years of high school.

Also, my parents were both from Chicago and my mom's sister still lived there, so we visited at least once a year. I still have great fondness for it. :-)

Date: 2013-09-18 02:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eanja
I know Ohio is officially part of the midwest, and is flat and all, but to me midwest implies great plains, and it always seems weird to include somewhere at the same longitude as Georgia. In my head it's just sort of part of the whole great lakes surrounding region. Probably because I can drive there in a day, and I think of the midwest as further away than that.

Date: 2013-09-18 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hand2hand.livejournal.com
Tulsa is SO not in the Midwest.

Date: 2013-09-18 02:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wisdomeagle
I live in Kansas City MO, and I think everyone I know considers it part of the Midwest. I certainly do. KS feels more southern (especially to this New England native), but is also Midwest.

Date: 2013-09-18 03:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pocketmouse
I tend to not consider anything east of the Mississippi 'Midwest,' because of the whole St. Louis/Arch 'Gateway to the west' thing.

Date: 2013-09-18 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gileswench.livejournal.com
I'm painfully geographically challenged and tend to consider anything without a coast to be vaguely either midwest or southern.

I am covered in fail.

And that makes this icon ironically appropriate.

Date: 2013-09-18 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
In the West they shoot people.

In the East that's considered rude; they just cut them dead in the street.

In the Midwest they don't shoot people they've been introduced to.

(In the South they don't shoot people unless they've been introduced. Why do you think it's called the "Civil" War?)

I tend to think of the Midwest as any State that has a piece between the Mississippi River and the Ohio River. So far it's never been a critical issue, but if it ever is I'll make my case.

Date: 2013-09-18 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
*fangirls this comment*

Date: 2013-09-18 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
So in your view Nebraska wouldn't be Midwest? I'm pretty sure neither river touches it.

Date: 2013-09-18 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
Nope. Anything west of the Mississippi is geographically West.

Though the coastal States are, politically, Mars.

Sam Clemens was born in the West. Minnesota is a little bit Midwest.
Edited Date: 2013-09-18 05:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-18 10:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] vickita.livejournal.com
Ahahahaha. The reader quoted about the biome map in this post on The Dish is me. (http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/23/where-is-the-midwest-ctd/) (And when I said "Idabel, down in the southwestern corner" that was a brain fart -- south*eastern* corner.)

Oklahoma is TOTALLY on the dividing line of midwest, south, southwest and west, geographically, ecologically, and culturally, so it kind of depends on what part you're talking about. I didn't click Tulsa in your poll, but I'm not firm about that at all. I drove out to Fayetteville a couple of weeks ago, and it was fascinating how, when I got off of I-44 and hit the Cherokee Turnpike to go east, how fast the terrain changed. It was gorgeous over there.

This kid I know, songwriter, has a song with the verse:

Central Oklahoma is my land
It's my country
Eastern Oklahoma is a beautiful sight
Northern Oklahoma might as well be Kansas
Never go to southern Oklahoma at night.


Yup.

Date: 2013-09-19 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katewallace.livejournal.com
Fascinating poll. Very interesting to see how other people define "Midwest". I grew up in Kentucky, which I think is one of those states that could be an 'overlap' state..it's sort of Midwest but also Southern. Same with Missouri..never mind what the Arch stands for, I see it as more southern than mid-western. But that's just me....and my geographically addled brain.

Date: 2013-10-18 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
I don't think you and [livejournal.com profile] vickita follow each other, so here's this from her today:

Radical Cartography: The Midwest

Date: 2013-10-18 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
Ooh. Thank you for that. I like the way the overlay looks.

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