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This is some stream of consciousness social commentary based on two movies I've seen in the last two days. One was a cheap DVD of a film from a couple of years ago called Something's Gotta Give and the other was a movie called Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief What? It was a Friday night, and I didn't want a horror flick.


The kid's flick was, only marginally, the less offensive of the two on feminist grounds, but, hoo boy, did it hit my race and class buttons hard. The idea is that the Greek gods still come down and mate with mortals and their progeny are left here and sent to a special magical summer camp to become heroes. There are girl heroes. There were one or two kids who weren't lily white in the background. Otherwise, the two characters of color we saw were the satyr and Persephone.

Frankly, everyone, other than Persephone, we saw who was directly linked to the gods had blue eyes. That's how white they were -- except for the sassy, half beast, sex obsessed, and self-sacrificing-for-the-white-lead sidekick. Persephone cheats on her husband regularly and was trading innuendo with the satyr. She also helps the white lead achieve his quest.

More than that, it can be inferred from the discussions held while explaining the magical summer camp to Percy that heroes are born not made. Training can hone their skills, but it's innate. You get your tendencies from your parents -- so Hermes kid is a thief who's good with videogames, Athena's daughter is a great fighter, and Percy, as the son of Poseidon, gets a huge scenic cabin of his very own right by the lake.

Several years ago, Robin Williams referred to a sub-genre of kids movies as "Mom's dead. Let's party."

This movie wasn't quite that bad. Mom gets kidnapped by Hades and is one impetus for the quest. But she's also an emotionally abused wife to Percy's stepfather, and she flat out tells her son that she did it to protect him. According to her, the odor of this tacky loudmouth covered the scent of her son's godly heritage from those who might try to kill him. She let herself be trampled for her son. Why didn't she become a sewer worker? The smell would have been as bad and she could have kept her self-esteem. Let's see, running a home tannery is probably illegal in New York, but I'm sure she could have been creative. Heck, she could move in next door to me. The pot dealers down the hall make sure the rest of us can't smell anything but weed.

First of all, blaming your kid for your poor life choices isn't great. Second of all, what does it do to the kid to be blamed?

Something's Gotta Give has a few issues too. The moral of the story seems to be "date in your age range." That's not a moral; that's a social construct.

The modern romantic comedy trope of people who can't stand each other at first are destined for each other gets a huge work out in this one. By the way, this movie is so WASP-white that Diane Keaton in a black dress is a shock to the eyes.

The trope wouldn't bother me so much if the two characters as presented had anything in common. It might also have worked if there hadn't been another character who treated Diane Keaton's character, and himself, with respect and genuine affection.

The film might have worked for me, if the Jack Nicholson character had been redeemed at the end -- as he is -- and left alone to find a new life now that he's worked out his old issues.

Instead, this woman who has been dating a man who loves and respects her, who gets her sense of humor, and who seems to be a pretty good kisser (we don't get a sex scene with him, sadly) for SIX MONTHS gets back together with a man who hasn't spoken to her in EIGHT MONTHS. I have a hard time believing Jack Nicholson's penis is that much of a magic wand.

Now, I'm all for the healing power of sex, and, yes, passion is just as important as respect. However, the Nicholson/Keaton sex scene revolted me, not for their respective bodies or anything -- Diane Keaton is gorgeous and Jack Nicholson didn't do anything for me when he was younger -- but because, as he's climbing on top of her, he asks about birth control -- she mentions menopause -- and he says "Who's a lucky boy."

This character is reputed to have slept with hundreds of women, and from the on-screen evidence, the reputation is accurate. Post-menopausal women do not have immunity from STDs. Any man with one iota of respect for his bedmate would have used a condom without asking.

What really bothers me, though, is that the writer-director, Nancy Meyer, understands the hallmarks of a good person. She hands them to Keanu Reeves' character.

His character talks to Diane Keaton's about her work. When they're shown together, it's usually by warm light. He respects her shyness, but shakes his head when she tries to say she's not beautiful. They are shown as comfortable together from the very beginning. They laugh together. There's an ease to their physicality together that never manifests when Keaton is with Nicholson.

But what's important is that the woman ends up happy with a man who is more successful than she is -- difficult for the "most successful female playwright since Lillian Hellman" to find -- and that the man is older than she is.

I know this type of chick flick is a Cinderella fantasy of sorts, but it really bothers me that the story we're telling ourselves is that conflict will lead to passion, love cannot be easy, and stay within your (age, class, race) limits.

GAAAGH!

Date: 2010-02-20 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daylyn.livejournal.com
Wow. Those definitely sound like two films to avoid. Like the plague. But the problem is that these themes are so commonplace and part of pop culture that you really can't avoid them, can you?

I have not seen either of these films, but they both sound disturbing. The Diane Keaton flick sounds insulting. And that sex scene sounds horrific, actually.

This theme of conflict leads to love is problematic, especially when contrasted with a non-conflicted relationship. What's wrong with compatability? What's wrong with companionship and someone who actually understands you? Why do people have to remain confined within their limited categories? Shouldn't a personal connection transcend these limits?

Grrr.... I'm aggravated and I haven't even watched these films.

Although it is true that most kid's films hate ignore (and/or kill) mothers (Robin Williams is right about that).

Sounds like you had an interesting night. Or, you know, not.

Date: 2010-02-21 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
In some ways I prefer the tropes of European cinema. The woman may have an intense affair with a man or a man may leave his wife and children to pursue someone who is completely awful, but they are always presented as having consequences. Moreover, as you say, companionship is valued.

Children's films need to have a reason for the kids to adventure. I get that. A missing parent or parents leaves a child open to experience in a way that children from an intact household rarely get to pursue. I don't really understand why it has to be the mother most of the time.

Date: 2010-02-20 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moria923.livejournal.com
The "heroes are born, not made" syndrome probably comes out of our deep ancestral past Much as I loved the Harry Potter books, I thought Rowling was dancing around this in ways that would make any choreographer proud. Harry has these special magical abilities because of his mom's encounter with Voldemort. But really, it's his choices that make him who he is. But wait, he's got this special destiny, and these special tools to help him achieve it. At times I couldn't figure out whether Dumbledore was saying something too subtle for my mere cranial cavity, or whether it was the old "We want to think of ourselves as determining our destiny, but we're in love with this trope" thing. I only read the first book of the His Dark Materials series, but it looked like Lyra's starring role was predetermined by her heritage, too. I guess that's the trope now: Yes, heroes have important choices to make, and they can make or break their heroic journey by their moral choices, but the fact that they, and not someone else, are in that position to start with is a function of something that happened way in the past. Maybe you can write a story sometime in which the predestined hero says "fuck this shit" and runs off to be a ventriloquist or something, and is replaced in his task by -- oh, I don't know -- maybe some lowly person he was kind to at the beginning of the story. You know, one of those characters whose down-and-outness is supposed to give the hero a chance to show his goodness by being kind. I have no idea which of your fandoms you could write this in, though, since I don't know most of them.

I really get your problem with the Diane Keaton flick. They probably can't imagine writing good scenes without that conflict. And they probably thought of the menopause comment as a way to make postmenopausal women feel good by making it a badge of freedom. But you're right, in this case it would tend to show the character's self-centeredness. Does Nicholson's character become any less self-centered at the end? And does the other guy develop a conveniently-previously-hidden flaw?

Date: 2010-02-21 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
I think Rowling did a credible job in avoiding the trap. As you say, she danced around it. However, Dumbledore's decision to have Harry reared outside the wizarding world helped give him a perspective he might not otherwise have had.

I like your idea of having the poor swineherd who saves the day be a real poor swineherd and not a prince in disguise.

The Jack Nicholson character does redeem himself a bit. Enough that I think the happy ending would have been for him to end up on that bridge in Paris alone and looking at a real romantic future for himself. The other man does not develop a hidden flaw. He actually frees the woman to be with the man she's still in love with -- although it happens off screen.

One thing that really struck me about the second male character is how much SELF respect he had. Too often the "Ralph Bellamy" role is written like he's either a twit or a doormat. This character was neither.

Date: 2010-02-20 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moria923.livejournal.com
And this is one thing I always liked about Victoria Holt's romance novels: in the ones I've read, she seemed to make a point of dissing the idea that your fate is determined by your ancestors, or by fate. For example, in one of her books, the guy with the dreamy ancestor turned out to be a monster, and the one who had rogues in his closet turned out to be the heroine's true love.

Date: 2010-02-20 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tpau
to be fair, the books are MUCH better then the movies for Percy Jackson. though everyone is a little bit Greek, so i think everyone is kinda white but i am not entirely sure since race is never mentioned at all. itis clear when two kids are hispanic, but just from thier names and the fact that in the flashback their mom speaks spanish.

the movie... sorta sucked in comparison

Date: 2010-02-21 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
I'll take your word for it.

The blue eyes thing got to me. It's rare among the Greeks. Olive skin and dark eyes are far more common. But all the actors we saw playing Greek gods were blue eyed.

Date: 2010-02-20 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riverfox.livejournal.com
For exactly the itemizing you've mentioned for "Something's...", I refused to see it. As for "Percy", I read what it was about and went, "What kind of bloody message is that to the 'kid' demographic?" Plus there's this protect-against-the-homophobes element in my head that says to the mother, "You named him Percy? Are you out of your mind?"

Date: 2010-02-21 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
To be fair, it's implied it's short for Perseus, the great hero.

Happy birthday, by the way.

Date: 2010-02-21 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riverfox.livejournal.com
Yeah, I know. That's even worse.


Thanks, sweetie. :) *hugs*
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Date: 2010-02-21 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com
But I thought Keanu was set to marry me. *LOL* (I'm exposed to hormonal sixth graders. I can even do the put-upon flounce.)

There was an article in The Washington Post a couple of weeks back expressing shock and amazement that some men were in long-term relationships with women who made more money than they did and therefore held all the power in the relationship. That last bit was more implied than overtly stated, but the idea was definitely there.

Jack Nicholson's character is a self-made man who makes more money than she does and is therefore more powerful. My take-away from the movie wasn't that Keaton was taken down a peg, but that a strong woman must have a stronger man in her life. An equal or someone who is willing to be less powerful than she is would somehow be unacceptable.

If this is the romantic fantasy we're selling to adults, no wonder I can't get my sixth grade girls to try anything that might interfere with their finding *boys*.

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